openly supporting the first cloture vote which would allow you to go to debate and amendment. harry reid may lose two members of his own caucus on that vote. max baucus and mark pryor are both noncommittal at this point. that won't hurt his 60-vote threshold. he could still get over that. that gives gun control advocates a bit more time to craft the legislative language of the background check bill. maybe make it more amenable to some republican votes. like you said, it doesn't guarantee passage. they still have to close the debate period in order to get to actual vote on passage. >> senator, you were there, explain this to people out there, this cloture, this filibuster game now. you can filibuster a bill even before people start talking about it. then you can filibuster it again once you don't like the direction of the debate and might lead to passage, then you can filibuster to make sure there's no vote, is that right? >> almost every move they take requires 60 votes to be able to continue the process of moving forward. toward an ultimate not only debate, but then a vote on the