powerful and wonderful and amazing and have very problematic things going on in her life. >> she can clean up a crime scene in a white dress. but then she's a complete mess in a lot of other ways. >> i think it's called scandal. did we really expect a moral representation on television? when i think of story telling, right, we have to allow our characters to have their own dreams, desires and flaws. she is fully in grasp of the lip quiver. what is that? how can she do that? >> exactly. and she's the center of every room that she's in. and she is -- she is not supposed to be perfection or this heroine.