conservatives dearly wanted. you could say karl rove really did use that base to come out for him in '04 when his election was not as sure, let's just say. one of the things that george w. bush telegraphed he would do for evangelicals was a constitutional amendment banning a gay marriage. he would move action on federal bans on abortion. that he would assemble a supreme court that would overturn roe v. wade. they got nothing for it with a president who probably identified more with them -- >> they got the iraq war. >> that's not what he ran on. >> he played to the very right wing feelings of evangelicals about israel, didn't he? >> that's right. evangelicals were some of the most supportive, even of policies like the detention policy, what we consider the torture policy. evangelicals stuck with george w. bush until the bitter end, got nothing for it. >> they got a war for it. they wanted that war. >> they didn't get the social issues they thought they were going to get moving forward on abortion and gay marriage.