incentivizes cheating. in the last few years, we have seen the superintendent of el paso schools going to prison for removing students to boost test scores along with investigations showing test irregularities and other states. this is not just a story about the atlanta school district. this is a story about the grand national experiment we're undertaking in public education in this country and its little discussed dark side. joining me at the table, goldie taylor, and atlanta resident, terrell bradford, executive director of better education for kids, and pedro novera. professor of education at nyu. great to have you here. goldie, you're fresh off the plane from hotlanta. thank you for coming. this must be a huge story in atlanta. >> it is, but it has been for a long time. i was among the parents who hosted beverly hall.