playing tough? way the clintons are playing it? they basically probably are going to win the nomination if they played softball. >> yeah, look, i admire -- >> secretary clinton. >> i think it's hardball politics. i think it's smart politics for the clintons to take all the goodwill that's been engendered as a result of -- >> what about loving your enemy? >> loving your enemy? >> you're a seminarian. what about going around saying, i want you, too? >> chris, you're not looking for that kind of blessing in this situation. this is hardball politics. it's real -- >> is it smart? >> i think it's smart. i think the clintons have seen themselves be burned. i think it's smart politics for them to lay down their markers now and see right now who's with them and who's against them. even though the field has not even begun to form. whether it's cuomo or -- >> let's go to why they might calibrate it up a bit, escalate from the beginning. i think hillary clinton, secretary clinton, former senator clinton, former first lady clinton looks her best when she's talking issue. children, education. things like that.