they don't want to and we have officers standing next to me who say they don't want to do that because it's illegal are told they need numbers. >> the level of uncertainty. not knowing what was happening. being cuffed for the first time. thrown in the back of a police car. i never had that happen to me. >> the legality of what most call stop and is in question. joining me now are new york city councilman williams, vince warren, executive director, bringing this lawsuit against the city. documentary film maker and he said he was stopped and frisked by the nypd five times. what is at the heart of this