of the war as something of a wise man, right? he's saw through it, i mean, the moment where he writes down the mark on the calendar and says colin powell says we're going to find a wmd, go to the paper. i'm sorry, but there was a failure on the part of those folks to do the right thing. it's very easy for me to say that, i understand, but it's still wrong. >> blame colin powell for believing that and still giving that speech. now he's seen as a wise man, and the president courts him, you know, networks court him, and we pay a lot of attention, but he knew. you know, he knew when he took the job, he was there to be a front for these guys and he served dutifully as that front. >> you think he knew that? >> in the beginning, yeah. >> cheney was down and pulled him out of line, really discovered him in the white house when he was in the white house as an intern. and then car lucci and all those guys. he had a lot of history with those republicans and i'm going to defend him because i like him. >> he's likable.