who have struck deals for immunity. we need those kinds of interventions when it comes to sexual assault. if you see somebody vulnerable to a predator. if you see someone who is about to breach someone's boundaries of consent, in the same way you grab their keys, you have to put a stop to it, and there were so many opportunities in this tragic case that moving on recognizes how it could have been stopped. >> that's a difficult transition, but we've got to focus on how do we develop empathy for those who are at risk in terms of sexual assault into the same degree as we do for somebody driving drunk like miss carmone just said. professor, do you think stories like this make it more difficult for victims of sexual assault to come forward? there's a huge stigma and great deal of empathy for those who commit the crime and not the victim. >> generally i think that's the case. i think this situation and guilty verdict may leave young girls and women to come forward, may lead to more women and girls