how many jobs would that create? why do we have to wait? this is common sense. this isn't talking act getting more taxes, doing something on social security. just make the decision and build the keystone pipeline. >> well, we've gotten all of the above energy strategy. we have more oil and gas being produced now than we did before. and natural gas throughout the country. it's a good thing. >> it is. >> natural gas is a good thing. >> so there's alternatives. >> there are lots of people who have these leases right now who aren't using them. let's see them use them. >> let's see if this progresses more easily than the budget. good luck to both of you as these debates continue. thanks very much. we'll come back after this short break. our roundtable will be back to talk politics and the governor who took on the unions in his state in a pretty high-profile way and survived politically to state in a pretty high-profile w[ male announcer ] if she keeps serving up sneezes... [ sneezing ] she may be muddling through allergies. try zyrtec®.