the world will soon know the name of the new pope. and chris matthews is also part of the coverage here. we have a number of people stationed of course there at the vatican. chris, let me bring you back in. again you heard the americans there. like any other country, they like to see the cardinal from their home selected. there's been a lot of talk about representation from latin-america. even africa, as the church expands. and it needs the expansion to grow, chris. >> that's all true. but so many italian cardinals and so many european cardinals that the deck, if not stacked, is heavily favoring european. i think i will go back to the fact that having two popes in a row from other countries in europe, germany and before that, poland, is probably the italians will grab it back. my guess is they will. but you're right, there is an enormous growth in the church, even with the evangelical challenge down there and around the world. we have a very good -- we have