handgun, multiround clips, it's weaponry, most of these weapons shouldn't be on the streets of america. so i don't know exactly what the distinction is about. no citizen has ever said to me, oh, well, you know, i know got hit by a shotgun. i'm glad it wasn't a rifle. mean. what? >> i don't know. let me go to the former police chief. val, thank you for joining us. as a law enforcement person, are you concerned about this rage that some people, statistics show it's not everybody but some people have to arm up and get not just shotguns or handguns to protect themselves with but they want semiautomatic weaponry and assault weapons in their household. >> we know guns are not the answer to every problem to safety. situations and real-life situations have demonstrated that. when we talk about the ban on assault weapons, i think people need to consider the assault weapons, the amount of devastation that ar-15s and ak-47s can do to the body you don't need one of those weapons to protect yourself. the vice president is absolutely right. shotguns are absolutely adequate. i think, chris, until we take politics out of the discussion