in the united states, obviously everybody has heard of it. in the western world everybody has heard of it. but it underscores why no foreign power has been able to go in there and build a government. one person in the house voted against the invasion and she was vilified 11 years ago. >> it was the necessary war. >> 12 years ago when that happened. if we had that vote today it would be a little different. what hagel that, i found it to be a completely irrational explanation for what karzai is doing. it may be distasteful for to us hear what he is saying or look at the actions he is taking or not taking, but he is acting as what he is. as he politician in afghanistan who as you say is worried about his personal survival and his political survival and his political relevance. the lesson we ought to draw, if he is not shaping public opinion in afghanistan as much as reflecting it which is what politicians generally do, what does that tell you about public opinion in afghanistan? what does that tell but the taliban gets its power from