couple years ahead of me. a woman named tamara. she said, are you ready? i think so. i showed her everything i had. she said, do you know where to sit? i had no idea where to sit. and i started thinking about, if i went in -- she walked me through the whole thing about the logistics. this is what's going to happen. this is how you put something in evidence. i would have had no clue. and it would have thrown me off. and it would have been a problem. and she was -- i thought that showed a tremendous amount of toughness, to think outside of herself and just her own job and help a teammate. >> and toughness is also recognizing when -- recognizing when you need help. >> exactly. exactly. that's exactly right. >> all right. thanks so much. willie, this is a great book. >> before we let him go, predict national title. who do you like? >> duke looks pretty good. they haven't been beaten when ryan kelly is in there. indiana, kansas, gonzaga. >> byer? >> because they've got an nba front line. >> "toughness: on and off the court." you can read an excerpt on our