raising somebody else's taxes. >> they are. >> not their own, but they say rich people. >> rich people, yes. >> raise that guy's taxes. >> and actually all the proposals to try to trim are still targeted at the wealthy people, even here in washington. and so in our poll when we asked, are you for a sliding scale on social security benefits or medicare benefits, typically the response on a straight question on social security and medicare cuts is, no, no, don't do it. but when we added what about a sliding scale so the wealthy get less, they were all for it. go for it. >> and it works, it always works, we know that. but perry, watching what the white house is doing, is there any penalty for them to be paid for not demanding that boehner and mcconnell come over to the white house and start doing like it movie "dave".