just expressed there? >> i doubt it. i think wayne lapierre has a job that he's doing, which is kind of increase his membership, represent his members and aggressively put forth the idea that nothing really serious should happen on gun control. i think he's kind of -- i don't think wayne lapierre has done a particularly good job i think a better spokesman for the national rifle association would be david keene, a political guy that communicates in a way that doesn't scare people. i think wayne lapierre is more ways than one is trying to scare people. >> david -- john, to you on this. david keene, how would he change that narrative, that emotion that's been brought up so far, the fear, now, diane black is saying that the president is trying to use fear here? >> i think there's a lot of problems on both sides.