role, there's very little difference on them -- among them on policy, on what would come next, on, as you said, things like contraception, ordination of women. all the people in the running would be quite orthodox leading the orthodox catholic church, so i really don't think that he's going to get very involved in -- >> you are so pessimistic here. i want to go to e.j. now because there's two good things that can happen. i'm a progressive on catholic issues and all kinds of issues. you are, too, e.j. i think melinda is, too. one, we get a guy like scola who turns out to be more liberal than the pope thinks, and second, some way out candidate we never heard of perhaps from italy -- that's where the liberals come from -- comes forth and offers himself up, and we pull a big surprise because scola can't put it together. >> let's stipulate we would probably pick a nun.