sees we're living longer now, but, b, sees for all the incense and candlelight around the papacy, it's also a job, and there are certain requirements of the job, and if you can't do it, what he's saying and voting with his feet, is that you need to leave. >> well said. >> amen. >> i think it shows a lot of humility. in april of 2005 when pope john paul ii died, we broadcasted "hardball" from rome. as we closed our last show from there, let's listen. look at these people standing for hours, day and night, through the avenues of rome, packed together as if they had been caught and crushed in an industrial strength trash compacter. there they stood seeking no edge, plotting no photo opportunity, playing none of the games that people do in politics, in business, in so much of life. this is no publicity stunt or initial stock offering or inside deal or anything but the purest, most obvious, most grandly transparent display of individual devotion. voting with your feet. >> thanks four your wise and warm words. thanks for coming on, and e.j. dionne, mr. america and french