>> you give more money to another guy. i mean, money talks, right? if you don't want this guy to win and you've got the koch brothers, that's why they have a pact, right? >> here's the deal money can't buy you. athen tisty. >> they're authentic. i hate to tell you. >> they're the real thing. >> they're authentic to a point where if you're awe thentic in your rationality, great, it will appeal to the rational people. but when this guy says that the earth was, you know, formed 9,000 years ago and we started farming 10,000 years ago, it's insane. >> we have to come back to the fact that they have a base. people like that have been elected. >> i look at murdoch, he won, i look at o'donnell, she won. they won. that guy mike lee beat bob bennett out in utah. you knocked off a guy in indiana. they tend to win. >> but rove's candidates haven't