john jonathan, i think it is when, not if. >> obviously, that decision doesn't have to be made for a while and there is a lot of things that happen between now and them. but i think if you talk to people around her increasingly, they think 2016 is the likelihood, a lot of them are banking their futures on it. >> well, karen, people i have been hearing from include fundraising contributors they have had, hillary clinton had in the past, especially in her senate campaign, presidential campaign. and they're indicating they get all the signals they need to start gearing up. >> yeah, well, you know people can also read signals how they want to read them. i think there is no question there are many, many people. we saw it last week, frankly, when she was testifying on the hill who definitely want hillary clinton to run and want her to be the democratic nominee. and i think there are have folks