production emissions from canada oil sands 134% higher emissions from crude oil -- >> that's in production. well to wheels it's about 5% to 15%. >> right. once you -- >> here's the key to understand, the price of oil is $95 a barrel today. the production cost of oil sands is less than $50. here's the truth, a sad truth but the truth, these are going to be developed. now, we've got to figure out a bigger way to get in front of climate. keystone is not the sinqunon of climate protection. it's not. oil sands are going to be developed. i'm not urging the president to approve the pipeline. what i'm saying is we need bigger solutions than one pipeline. that's not going to get it done. >> i disagree with paul. i think keystone is very important. it's a very important symbol the president can make. is it in the national interest or not to bring down dirty tar sands oil from canada so that it