always wanting to dabble in politics. we did a forum with him in 2007 with the livestrong foundation. i remember we had this debate, hey, you know, who are we doing this with? lance or the foundation? the foundation we were more comfortable with than lance, because you never knew when this day was going to come. >> i think this story has gotten so many traction because he was seen as one of the good guys. >> right. the austin guy. >> loved by everyone there, and lance armstrong, in sports sometimes you have the bad guys, the people you want to root against. when you see steroid allegations or doping, you say that's par for the course, particularly with the livestrong foundation he was seen as one of the good guys. he wants to compete, he's trying to save his legacy in a way. this is a man who bullied ruined other people. what he did to greg lamont or