we don't get that respect but we do it the right way. what's happening in college athletics which is terrible -- and you see this with hall of fame voting -- it's turning from a game about teaching character, about values to win at any cost, and that's wrong for america. and so i'm proud of stanford the standard they're setting and that they're winning with that philosophy is incredible. >> it really is. notre dame also, you've got to tip your hat to notre dame, a great school, a great academic tradition. and yeah, they lost the national championship to my alma mater, but guess what, man. they were number one at the end of the season. and academically, fantastic. >> incredible. i always say back in the '80s, i was an all-american. the older i get the better i was, so take a grain of salt with that. >> you played with knute rockne. >> the reality was, only a few schools even made me fill out an application. but notre dame had me come in