the atf has not had a director for six years? >> for six years. they cannot get one confirmed through. they have not had an atf director. there's also not a juvenile justice director, either. >> how are we beginning to have a conversation about this if we don't have those positions filled? >> the gun lobby went out of their way to collect data by the cdc and others. it's an important conversation we can have to get more data and research to find out how gun laws work. there are certain laws that would work tomorrow to keep guns off the streets. right now, 40% of all gun sales in our country don't have a background check. that means -- that's not just -- sometimes it's trivialized calling it the gun show loophole. it's on the internet. you can go on the internet right now, convicted felon, sex