conversation. jonathan, you covered the hill and do so extensively and "the washington post" is reporting that democratic senate leaders are advising the white house to go arc comed do that and bypass congress on this issue. i'll show everybody this letter to president obama and they advise him to take any lawful steps to avoid default with congressional approval and they talk about the 14th amendment and is there any way for the white house to avoid another fight like this with the congress completely. >> they've been writing about this letter that senator reid said to the president and if the president if they want to can certainly direct the treasury to ignore the debt ceiling and then basically say go ahead and sue me and see if anybody does and go to the core process and i don't think that's something the president wants to do that he doesn't want to evoke this 14th amendment and that's the shorthand used for it and i think what's fascinating here