that's one of the reasons the republicans insisted john boehner insisted that don't bring lew. he knew the budget much better than anyone else. he ran circles around them, but in defense of vulnerable people. >> in addition to that, i think it also shows what's happened in recent history. if you look at the treasury secretary pick for the most recent presidents who have had two terms, you look at the selection of james baker under president reagan. you look at the selection of bob rubin under bill clinton. the selection of john snow and hank paulson and now jack lew, there are two things that all of them have? common. the one is they're all close to the president in terms of ideology and thoughts. the second thing is they essentially compound on what the president ran on. if you look in the case of baker, reagan, reagan was one of the key people in charge of the budget office in 1981, and then reagan makes him his treasury secretary. same thing with bob rubin. the issue that the president ptsdz to tackle are domestic debt issues. he wants to get -- he wants to get this. in his opinion there's no better