get by with a lot less. i said that nuclear subs don't defeat terrorists, i wish they did, because we have a lot. and that would be over. i believe that both the republicans and democrats understand. >> a point you made in your article that while the president was ready to say we should have less defense spending than we were scheduled to have in defense budgets, he is not willing to cut enough. and out-going leon panetta said that unfortunately the cloud of sequestration remains. this administration is doing its part to help the country address the deficit problem by working to implement $487 billion in spending reductions. is that enough, or under secretary hagel should the obama administration be looking to go deeper? >> much deeper, he is a great person to serve with, but he just should go differently on