mistakes. if you watch him on the stump, he's very good at connecting. he is. i mean, he does make his mistakes. >> i disagree. >> you think it's a joke? >> no, i mean, i think he has been built into the obama organization and that is how he has flourished. i think he has a lot of people within the media that really like him. i think if this were, and i hate to play my media bias card, but if he was a republican, he was be caricatured much worse than he is. i just don't see him having -- to stephanie's point, you can't be an heir off of somebody else's organization. >> bush did it with reagan in '88. >> nowadays, you would have to build and manage and own your own organization. i don't see any of these heirs. >> i agree. there is no heir. but i do think joe biden is formidable. but he was our secret weapon out