again. so i believe those two men have the economies of our nation best at heart and have to come a little closer and a little $500 billion sounds like a lot. $2.5 trillion. we have to do both to have a principled come prom nice quickly, both of you, i start with you, do you think something gets done in the next few days? >> i'm afraid say that i don't think that we will avoid the fiscal cliff. i think we will go over and be debating this again in january and also i hate to say that, luke, i'm frayed your redskins will lose on sunday. >> more of a bills fan but -- i want them to beat the cowboys. we all hate the cowboys. lastly -- navy did beat army. so i'm happy. look, at the bottom line is we will go over 1 january with the fiscal cliff. but there will be an agreement in the first would weeks of january which will be fine in order to have the first step not of debt $4 trillion reduction but of getting that $700 billion fiscal cliff down to a gradual slope so our economy can keep