generation who knew what it meant, you know, you work, your put your time in, there's going to be something there for you at the end of the day. it was guaranteed. you didn't worry about it. and now -- >> and the fact that public employees still have fixed pensions is the thing, i think -- the single thing that distinguishes them from so many private sector places which has added to this mistrust of these too generous public employee pension things that the rest of us who no longer have fixed pensions feel toward the retired civil servants, the retired cop, the retired whomever who gets his or her, you know, generous pension at 50 or 60 and out. >> they still wield power of the pensions, though, because as you'll recall, this is kind of a taj ent, but after what happened in newtown, it was the pension fund that owned freedom group, and they said what are you doing here with this investment, and they sold it. >> yeah, they dropped the investment. >> they dropped it. >> it took them only two or three days. >> part of it, richard wolffe, i would think gets to the