>> if somebody violates the rule, then they go to segregation for punitive. not many people want to spend a lot of time in punitive. >> this is probably the most difficult prison to control are in this mod. you see why. very little things set them off sometimes. >> setting off the smoke alarm. >> basically, bravo mod is a little less violent, a little less secure, then you get into alpha and delta, where they're given more -- more benefits, a little more freedom, in an effort to get them adjusted so they can go back into general population and be just regular prisoners. >> i like dealing with these guys. i think i have a good rapport with them. they work really well. they respond to me for whatever reason. >> you have a good lawyer?