i hate to play my media bias card, but if he were a republican he would be characterured more than he is you cannot borrow or be an heir to somebody else's organization. >> bush temporarily had it in '88. >> nowadays you have to build, manage and own your own organization. i don't see the passing of the torches. >> i agree. there is no heir. but i think joe biden is formidable. he was our secret weapon out there in ohio, wisconsin -- >> if she doesn't run, i'm not betting on andy cuomo over joe biden as vice president. >> i would. i would definitely -- >> it's the same argument for hillary clinton. she will have the money, she hat establishment and all good people around him.