negotiations with walmart about supply chain conditions. these are the kinds of forms of bargaining we need to look at. >> the point is that's a bargaining process completely outside of the nlrb process. but there are two things being said that are in tension with each other. one is -- this is a huge attack on workers to pass right-to-work laws et cetera and the other is -- that's not is that important. what matters is organizing and you can have a strong union in a state that doesn't have mandatory fees assessed. so which is it? right? i mean, your union is probably the strongest union in the country in the states that have these kinds of laws. i think that's probably true, right? >> absolutely. we have strong affiliates in right to work states and strong affiliates in states that -- >> but if you can do it white can't others? what's the problem here? >> what they know is you'll have to spend an awful lot of time and resources in organizing. so what they'll do -- >> isn't that good? >> that's what we were talking about at the break.