>> where was your lawyer? >> i didn't have any lawyer. >> did you have a lawyer? >> no, sir. >> did you have a lawyer? >> no, sir. so all of this happened with no lawyers. >> were your parents there? >> some of our parents were there. >> i've never seen her. i would hear her voice and see her peep into the room. and the detective, they were using like a tactic. these were seasoned professionals. we were kids. very fragile at the time. they would tell my mother, don't worry. we just want to speak to him. at the time, she was very weak, you know. she couldn't really stand up as much. so she sat down for a while. and while they would take her away, that's when themd work on me. the reality of the matter, none of us, including our parents, had never had any involvement with the law.