shows that it is not supply and demand. so, when it's something as critical as the price of gasoline, you know, there's more regulation on commodities like hamburger than there is right now on gasoline. and i can tell you gasoline is a lot more important to an economy than the kinds of transparencies that we have in the commodities market. >> now there was at one point i think one or more refinery fires and that was one explanation given at a certain stage and also the seasonal adjustments when they are switching over from home heating to gasoline. but you don't think that any of those factors are what really caused these spikes some. >> well, what happened is one refinery had a fire. that was in the state of washington. and when prices almost went to $5, people were saying, how does one refinery cause that kind of spike? and all the other refineries responded with various piece of information saying that they actually were down for maintenance or that there was supply out of the market because