>> and at the end of the day they went with the liberal guy because they didn't think -- >> some of them didn't show. >> they thought the liberal guy understood them more, and it's all because the obama campaign and the democratic super pacs defined romney from the get-go, and the people in ohio just thought that romney did not understand their lives, their problems -- >> well, that's true. >> neil newhouse is a smart pollster. he just did not have the size of the electorate right. if the electorate predicted -- >> you say they're -- susan is right. >> they would have won but they did not expect the black -- >> do you have any history of people, white men, regular voters, not voting? i don't know of when they don't vote. they seem they always vote. he's talking about them not showing up. did they fill their ballots up but not for president? did they stay at home? doesn't everybody want to vote? i'm stunned by -- >> well, i don't know. maybe there was an issue here with, you know, as jeff was saying, do you vote for the rich guy or the black guy? for some, you know, sort of