the current state of affairs that they're recognizing that there is no longer a choice, if you will, between just getting along or reforming. we're going to have to reform the rules in order to have the senate have any chance of addressing the big issues america faces. >> as you look at it as a student of politics, you're now a united states senator, what is a proper use of a jimmy stewart type filibuster where one guy or woman goes out there and basically holds the floor as long as their physical ability and their moral strength holds? >> when you have an issue that you feel so profoundly concerned about that it threatens core values or core interests of your state, core constitutional principles, then to stand up and be heard and make your case before your colleagues and the american people, the jimmy stewart-style filibuster is completely appropriate. >> and so you don't believe -- if you force them to go -- i'll get to jonathan in a minute. if you force them out there, you don't expect they'll use the -- read the bible or read the constitution. they'll be on c-span now. jimmy stewart wasn't on c-span. now that he would have to do it 24/7. do you think it would be a good filibuster, just asking a qualitative question, if it didn't include hard arguments again and again for the position you were taking?