the world has changed. >> that's a hell of a comparison. this morning norquist responded. let's listen. >> they all said that two years ago when we were arguing over the debt ceiling limits. so their position hasn't changed, and during the debt ceiling limit we cut spending, we didn't raise taxes. so other republicans did not listen to peter king or these others. >> and this guy is a political loan shark. the majority of americans want to see tax rates go up on the rich, but will norquist convince enough republicans it's better to dig in their heels than to reach a compromise? tom coburn is the republican senator from oklahoma, and joe klein is a columnist for "time." senator, i don't want to abuse your presence. my children think you're the greatest. i have a couple kids, one who worked on the debt commission and another one who just loves you for some reason. let's find out why. it seems to me if you look at the numbers, just arithmetic here, right now the government is taking in 15.7% of the gdp in the current fiscal year and