because at least in our country, there was for some period of time a sense that the retribution nature of adult corrections was different than what was meant to be the rehabilitative nature of juvenile corrections. that seems to be gone. >> that changed in the '80s and '90s. the idea of rehabilitation changed and it became punitive. there was so much crime that the public wanted answers. we were angry. in 1988 george h.w. bush brought out the willie horton ads. since that time, no politician can afford to be soft on crime. the use of solitary is in some ways a i am tomorrow of the overcrowd of the prison, if you will, the dumping of all of our social problems, mentally ill, juvenile, gangs. the resentment towards prisoners that leads to the underfunding of prisons. overcrowding, making prisons unsafe and when they're unsafe, people act out.