>> so the lawyers can fight over this, chris. you're right. but the larger point is that the shame that he feels he's brought upon himself and his service trumps any legal niceties, and he, i'm sure, felt that he had to resign because he'd really violated the trust that everyone in the military had in him, even though he was retired. don't forget that he was -- go ahead, chris, i'm listening. >> the other general, allen, who is now leading our services is a more live question. how does he explain to the president sending 30,000 e-mails to this attractive hostess in tampa? i mean, does he have to explain that to the president? >> sure, he has to explain that to the president. but the president's got to be hoping that allen comes out of this cleanly because, you know, general allen has got two big jobs he's doing for the white house.