family members. you want to get into a debate about welfare, you can do it. if you want to get into a debate about taxes, you can do it. >> debate about drug legalization, you can do it. >> you can really, really do it. i oppose those people as a liberal. i hope that they never get any degree of power in the political system but they need to be recommend. when you talk about what's happening in terms of the racialization of the republican party, they deserve to be represented. this deserves to be a fight. >> right. >> what you end up with in effect is folks voting a certain way because somebody else is telling them they don't want them. >> and i think that's why the politics break down. i'm glad to see that this has transferred to the immigration discussion. lorella, i want to get your response to this. if i were strictly an amoral political consultant person right now to the political party, i think this is good policy, good for the country and morally the right thing to do, but if i were just a total