get all that and more. >> here's an easy way to look at it. in '08, younger voters, 18 to 24, i think, outnumbered 65-plus. they were both right at -- one was 17% of the electorate, one was 16%. this time it's going to be this way. the question is, is it 18/15, 65-plus, or is it 17/16. 17/16, obama. >> chuck, you played with your turnout models yesterday. >> yes. >> i thought it was fascinating. talk about on ohio especially. >> say that again. >> you talked about ohio was six points -- >> right, party i.d. so we had a party i.d., if you basically did party i.d., if you took the '04 and '08 and sort of average it had, and the party i.d. issue, it isn't something that is -- it moves more than people realize. >> but it's static. >> it's not as static. but if you went ahead and did it with our poll and applied it, a six-point lead gets down to three. but the president's still at 50.
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