and wall street money. >> is this americans for prosperity, the koch brothers? >> it's all different groups. it's not a super pac, it's not disclosed money. it's directed by karl rove. he's directing the choir and this group comes in -- >> crossroads gps. i know it well. >> it's 45,000 ads so far. there are eight groups right now in the state together running -- eight individual groups running ads. the only way you fight that is grassroots, and we've got a great grassroots operation. sherrodbrown.com, people can join us. we've got lots of people that have done everything from small contributions to knocking on doors and doing phone banks, and that's how you beat this kind of money. it's the only way a progressive populist democrat in a state like ohio wins. >> there's some things i keep worrying about. ohio is one i worry about. i wonder about the secretary of state out there. i wonder about the stumble we had last time, the people kept questioning -- i'm talking about