stays with us for the hour. i'm about to talk to john kasich in ohio where these themes are perfectly in his wheelhouse, because it's really what's going to decide ohio. before we do that, think it would be so interesting to really understand -- we talk so much about ohio. how do you win the state? how do both campaigns win it? i want to bring chuck back in. we've got a new poll coming out of ohio, 49-49, razor tight and this was before the final debate. take a moment here to take us through how each side thinks they win the state. >> you know, the joke is there are five -- it's five states within one state. the five ohios. but let me just take you through basically the romney pattern here which is run up the score in coal country. that's what bush did in '04, and win the swing areas of columbus media market, an '04 bush territory. was '08 obama. and win hamilton county. for the president, run up the score in cleveland, cuyahoga county and overperform with working class white guys in the auto belt, if you will, the toledo area, but if you're looking at just one county that may tell us more than anything, david, you sit over here and we're going to take you to hamilton county.