there's a limit to how much run you can raise. >> you don't see any campaign saying we raised enough money, let's stop. maybe more would be raised under a popular vote. it would have to be spread out through the whole country. right now, it's funneled into these eight or nine states. now, what there's no limit on is volunteerism. grass roots politics is what is disadvantaged by this system. you live in new york, there's no point in having neighbors over and a coffee clutch. oh, yeah, maybe you can go to ohio and do it. it kills politics. it kills grass roots politics. >> i make the opposite point. if you have a national popular vote for the presidency, you are going to see a lot more money. you are going to have to invest more in new york, california and texas and places like that. people will pay. >> it keeps getting more