the same three leaders, that he's going to be able to get stuff down, anything done, before his second term is up. >> that's obama's core contention. talk about the weird des moines register situation where the president, they wanted that thing off the record and it turned out to be the clearest articulation of the second-term agenda outside of the -- >> no photos, exactly. >> no photos, right. no, but i mean, he laid it out clearly. we're going to have something that looks like a grand bargain, that is my intention. we have heard through the grapevine the republicans are saying the same thing. i'm skeptical, they have that conference and it's more conservative than it was last time. and the second big issue is immigration reform. i actually think on the second item he might have momentum considering what we're looking at. >> you think it's even a more conservative congress than now, in terms of the house republican caucus? >> you're getting rid of a couple of moderates, remaining