advantage. that is the nature of the foreign policy debates. >> now about turnout and early voting. sure and look, i actually think a lot of talk about momentum in this race where the momentum is and isn't. the race has returned to where it with you before the conventions. >> i agree with that. >> i told some of my democratic friends after the conventions ended and the president opened up a slight lead, don't believe it we have to run this race. >> you had no idea he was going to blow the first debate? >> the president has talked about his performance in the first debate. regardless, i think the race has tightened and it's even and i think any talk about momentum is a -- i think both campaigns are fooling themselves if they think momentum is a factor. dead even and sitting here with michael and reflecting back on 2000 i think people understand what dead even means and both sides know every vote counts. even though the romney campaign is gi giving the air that how momentum will carry them through. what obama will do is fight this on the ground in the key