to force the catholic church or its institutions to have to pay for something that is against their religious teachings violates their religious rights. and i think that's the -- >> but the blount amendment said that any employer with a moral objection, religious or otherwise, didn't have to provide access to contrsection. how is that consistent with him saying every woman should have access? >> it has to be a real objection. certainly if they were faking the objection, i think they would be pillaried in public coverage of it. the truth is the catholic church, for example, which is the impetus of this, has a well-founded, longtime and historical opposition to contraception. they teach that in the church. and the obama rule and the obama administration's ruling and mandates on this issue run counter to those religious protections that are constitutional principles. >> true or untrue on abortion. governor romney has said he would sign a bill that banned abortion, should that come to his desk. >> and i think what he is saying