as i say i know him very well. i've spent a lot of time with him. ridden around the back of a car with him in new hampshire. gone door-to-door in new hampshire with him. i've seen him a lot with just him and ann. and he's a fabulous guy. he's a guy who does not have any unattractive edge. >> so then is mitt the moderate held to task by the far rights of his party on socialish zblus. >> i don't know. i'm not a movement conservative and i'm certainly not a conservative on social issues. i'm closer to being a liberal on social issues. the dreaded" l" word. but i kind of -- you can't have everything. and i think romney is the guy who will get the united states growing. i think his foreign policy, frankly, is quite attractive. if you read his book "no apology" he's thought the thing through. he wrote every word of that book himself. >> look what you did then in the state of massachusetts. you talk about where you were and that on social issues you're almost the dreaded "l" word. can what you did in a state be