kind of program without something like -- >> the fact is i would go further and say it gave us the human capital investment that the housing rights provided opportunities to invest in individual wealth creation through real estate ownership and then that the interstate transportation act created the infrastructure necessary to make it possible, and then all of those -- those great programs -- >> there was also a time when women came into the work force, but that wasn't a government program. that was a result of the condition. >> but these were all related, i think, fundamentally to government spending. over and over again i think if there's any extent to which this did not work, it is only because it was not large enough. jillian, thank you so much for being here. i hope you'll come back and hang out again. the rest are back for more, and up next my letter to the president of the united states. think about that performance on tuesday night. ♪ i'd like to thank eating right, whole grain, multigrain cheerios! mom, are those my jeans?