make it. and we're not educating people to that purpose. and voc ed is not just about plumbing or being an electrician but computer engineering and all the new skill sets related to the digital economy where we need to have an educated expertise. >> the new cover of "time" "reinventing college." rick stengel, thank you very much. >> that's a real chalkboard, by the way. >> is it really? >> the artist did that and we photographed it and we had to close it early because you can't change chalk. >> that's true, you can't. all right. rick, thank you very much. >> thank you, rick. >> more "morning joe" in just a moment. s